To bind or not to bind? Considering converting my loose single National Geographics into bound copies. Your thoughts/comments plus some general questions. - National Geographic's Collectors Corner2024-03-29T14:32:52Zhttp://ngscollectors.ning.com/forum/topics/to-bind-or-not-to-bind-considering-converting-my-loose-single?commentId=1029239%3AComment%3A136663&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHaha very interesting. Well i…tag:ngscollectors.ning.com,2017-03-07:1029239:Comment:1365682017-03-07T04:00:46.936ZPece Kocovskihttp://ngscollectors.ning.com/profile/PeceKocovski
<p>Haha very interesting. Well if I ever find a 1910 February, and it has some nice writing on it, I will be sure not to bind it. ;)</p>
<p>Haha very interesting. Well if I ever find a 1910 February, and it has some nice writing on it, I will be sure not to bind it. ;)</p> ...yes, completely blank. It…tag:ngscollectors.ning.com,2017-03-07:1029239:Comment:1366632017-03-07T02:16:33.582ZScott T. Shierhttp://ngscollectors.ning.com/profile/ScottTShier
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<p>...yes, completely blank. It is common, (or, not uncommon at least) to find in those pre-1914 years that members would write the month/year on the spines themselves, particularly for the Feb. 1910 - Jan. 1914 period. </p>
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<p>Normally such writing on covers/spines of books & magazines is my personal pet peeve, and yet . . . I find that era's penmanship often charming --and therefore-- somehow more acceptable. (old style penmanship is a lost art, so now I am happy to see it…</p>
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<p>...yes, completely blank. It is common, (or, not uncommon at least) to find in those pre-1914 years that members would write the month/year on the spines themselves, particularly for the Feb. 1910 - Jan. 1914 period. </p>
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<p>Normally such writing on covers/spines of books & magazines is my personal pet peeve, and yet . . . I find that era's penmanship often charming --and therefore-- somehow more acceptable. (old style penmanship is a lost art, so now I am happy to see it when I come across it)</p>
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<p>The reason I single out 1910-1914 is that it was the Feb. 1910 issue where the debut of the yellow border (along w/ oak & leaf bordering, + laurel atop, bottom) appeared. The light color of spine, combined w/ the then ever-becoming thicker issues, and the increasing membership made it more conducive to writing legibly on the spine, as well as more members, so that statistically it was more likely to have a % of copies w/ such hand ID-ing on them.</p>
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<p>* see ----> </p>
<p><a href="http://ngscollectors.ning.com/photo/february-1910-ngm-front-cover%C2%A0" target="_blank">http://ngscollectors.ning.com/photo/february-1910-ngm-front-cover?c...</a></p>
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<p>{ argh, the site's acting up again, so looks like my link won't work, but you can try it. Otherwise, type in ' February 1910 ' in the search and you'll find in the first 2 results either mine or Phil's posted image of the front cover of Feb. 1910 }</p>
<p></p> Thank you Scott, I will keep…tag:ngscollectors.ning.com,2017-03-07:1029239:Comment:1366622017-03-07T01:59:31.644ZPece Kocovskihttp://ngscollectors.ning.com/profile/PeceKocovski
<p>Thank you Scott, I will keep a note of that as its very handy.</p>
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<p>Sorry if silly question but pre Feb 1914, spine was left blank?</p>
<p>Thank you Scott, I will keep a note of that as its very handy.</p>
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<p>Sorry if silly question but pre Feb 1914, spine was left blank?</p> ...a quick confirmation on o…tag:ngscollectors.ning.com,2017-03-07:1029239:Comment:1366612017-03-07T01:49:24.171ZScott T. Shierhttp://ngscollectors.ning.com/profile/ScottTShier
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<p>...a quick confirmation on one point you mention, the info. on spine:</p>
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<li>1st appearance of Date, name, Vol. # , + issue # on spine: February 1914</li>
<li>1st appearance of article titles on spine: Jan. 1960</li>
<li>1st use of red-colored text on spines (to indicate supplement maps): April 1960</li>
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<p>...a quick confirmation on one point you mention, the info. on spine:</p>
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<li>1st appearance of Date, name, Vol. # , + issue # on spine: February 1914</li>
<li>1st appearance of article titles on spine: Jan. 1960</li>
<li>1st use of red-colored text on spines (to indicate supplement maps): April 1960</li>
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<p></p> Hey Scott (and Mel!),
Thank…tag:ngscollectors.ning.com,2017-03-07:1029239:Comment:1366602017-03-07T01:11:41.544ZPece Kocovskihttp://ngscollectors.ning.com/profile/PeceKocovski
<p>Hey Scott (and Mel!),</p>
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<p>Thank you so much for the very valuable information. These are the kinds of things I would not have figured out on my own (such as the refolding of the foldouts! and the supplementary pocket at the back!)</p>
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<p>And yes, I am willing to pay the amount, but currently not able, or at least not able with all of my magazines. I was thinking of doing it over a period of time, and starting off with the newer collection and slowly working my way back. I…</p>
<p>Hey Scott (and Mel!),</p>
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<p>Thank you so much for the very valuable information. These are the kinds of things I would not have figured out on my own (such as the refolding of the foldouts! and the supplementary pocket at the back!)</p>
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<p>And yes, I am willing to pay the amount, but currently not able, or at least not able with all of my magazines. I was thinking of doing it over a period of time, and starting off with the newer collection and slowly working my way back. I keep saying to myself that as long as I never sell, then there wont be any money lost, but well, I might be kidding myself haha!</p>
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<p>Ah and sorry I mean't the table of contents. Thank you for the index advice though, I will keep it in mind.</p>
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<p>I agree, the spine I have noticed in my older magazines is the one that has deteriorated the most, whereas the covers and back covers, even on the very oldest ones, tend to hold their own.</p>
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<p>I feel this would apply to only those magazines published after the 1950s (correct me if I am wrong but pre 1950 there was no further information on the spine apart from name of magazine, year, volume, and issue) but do you think it would be worth getting the binder to add what is on the spine of the 6 month magazines and placing them on the spine of the book? Or would that look too messy? Perhaps not vertically along the book spine but perhaps horizontally, under each month. I am thinking it over as what to put on the spine, and whether it would be too messy if all the information that is on the spine for each magazine would be too much.</p>
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<p>Example 1:</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">National Geographic Magazine (or is it technically: The National Geographic Magazine)</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">Volume 385</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">Issue 1 - 6</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">January - June</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">Year 2532</p>
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<p>Example 2:</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">The National Geographic Magazine</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">Volume 387</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">Issue 1-6</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">January</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Mexico * The Inca * Amazon * Flying Monkeys * Jaguar Claws</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">February</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">The Forbidden City * African Sweets * Silk Road * Jaws of Steel</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">etc till June</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">June</p>
<p style="text-align: center;">Babies * Dogs * Chickens * Worms * Pigs</p>
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<p style="text-align: center;">Year 2533</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Maybe I can take the spines out of each issues that I bind and do a collage of them or something like that for fun?</p>
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<p style="text-align: left;">Oh and PS. Would I add anything to the front cover of the bound book? I imagine definitely not for the back, but the front (I am sure it would cost extra but good to keep in mind).</p> Pece,
...so, not quite the u…tag:ngscollectors.ning.com,2017-03-06:1029239:Comment:1366592017-03-06T22:50:57.780ZScott T. Shierhttp://ngscollectors.ning.com/profile/ScottTShier
<p>Pece,</p>
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<p>...so, not quite the usual way Mel De Vilbiss or I would offer a response on your post requesting feedback but in this instance I am Mel's authorized spokesperson. Reason being, I had run your ideas and questions by him in a chit-chat email and he did share detailed comments, so I am going to just insert__paste below (per his suggestion).</p>
<p>I have a few comments though I'll keep them separate from this reply, for…</p>
<p>Pece,</p>
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<p>...so, not quite the usual way Mel De Vilbiss or I would offer a response on your post requesting feedback but in this instance I am Mel's authorized spokesperson. Reason being, I had run your ideas and questions by him in a chit-chat email and he did share detailed comments, so I am going to just insert__paste below (per his suggestion).</p>
<p>I have a few comments though I'll keep them separate from this reply, for today.</p>
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<p><span><em>[sic., RE: your quoted estimate of $60-ish per vol.] ---></em> Are you willing <em>(& able)</em> to pay out this kind of money for binding? The resale of such magazines (bound) is minimal, i.e. maybe $10 (U.S.) per year (two books). However, if what you want is a different style of collection than your brother’s, this will do it!</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span>I would add the “annual index” to the binding (not sure if that’s what you meant by index above, or was just considering the magazine’s own Table of Contents).</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span>Up to 1993 there shouldn’t be a problem as the “annual index” was published by volume (one every six magazines, two per year) and is also an excellent table of contents per bound volume, i.e. it really makes it into a useful book.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span>From 1993 through 2010 the annual indices were combined with all other NGS monthly publications and produced as one issue per year. You have three choices here: purchase two indices per year and bind one each per volume (six magazines); purchase one per year and bind it only in the first (Jan-Jun) volume; purchase one per year and pay to have the bindery copy it to bind the copy into the second volume while binding the original in the first volume. Note: most binderies have high quality reproduction machines just for this purpose – but you’ll pay for it!</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span>The annual index publication was discontinued beginning 2011, i.e. the 2010 annual index was the last.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span>Note for pages larger than the printed page (usually foldouts bound within):</span></b><span> If the bindery does NOT identify and refold these pages prior to binding, when the bindery trims the package just prior to placing the boards on the book, the foldouts will be trimmed such that a folded edge will be cut off leaving a loose paper within the magazine where once there was a foldout. You’d think this was obvious – but I’ve seen it done so many times it’s unbelievable. <b>Instruct the bindery to refold all “larger than the printed page” foldouts – or do it yourself before sending it in.</b> You must adjust (refold) the fold at least 1/8 to ¼ inch to avoid this problem.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span>Note for supplements:</span></b><span> Binderies forming a pocket in the back tend to use the item that will be stored in the pocket to “make the pocket.” The problem here, whether the pocket is made of binding material or sturdy paper is that the process uses glue and heat (sometimes steam). </span><b><span>This process will “warp” the supplement paper!</span></b><span> You should provide the bindery with specific instructions to fabricate supplement material to simulate the supplement sizes per volume (each volume pocket is different due to varying size of supplements) or to provide some sort of heat/moisture protection for your supplements.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span><span>Binding does tend to “cover up” blemished magazines.</span></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span>The problem with removing covers and ads with the newer years, say late ‘90’s to date, is that a good portion of readable material was mixed in with a lot of advertising, especially at the beginning of the magazine. It really is best to bind the magazine complete – and it tends to make them “very slightly” more valuable.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span><span>The spine is lost – not a cost effective item to try and salvage, especially since the first part of the magazine usually damaged is the spine. If you do have poorer quality magazines, I would bet their spines are where most of the damage exists. Again – not worth the cost/effort in my opinion.</span></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="text-align: right;"><em>via </em></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="text-align: right;"><span><span>Mel D., personal email exchange,</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="text-align: right;"><span><span>2/28/17 - 3/01/2017.</span></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal" style="text-align: right;"></p> I love your binder-for-maps m…tag:ngscollectors.ning.com,2017-03-06:1029239:Comment:1364722017-03-06T22:44:32.364ZScott T. Shierhttp://ngscollectors.ning.com/profile/ScottTShier
<p>I love your binder-for-maps method Phil. I remember when you first showed us some years back -- it's one of those things now on my wish-to do-lists...</p>
<p>I love your binder-for-maps method Phil. I remember when you first showed us some years back -- it's one of those things now on my wish-to do-lists...</p> Very interesting, thanks for…tag:ngscollectors.ning.com,2017-03-03:1029239:Comment:1366332017-03-03T22:30:18.037ZPece Kocovskihttp://ngscollectors.ning.com/profile/PeceKocovski
Very interesting, thanks for all the pictures and information Phil. Definitely life goals! :)
Very interesting, thanks for all the pictures and information Phil. Definitely life goals! :) Hey Tom thank you for your co…tag:ngscollectors.ning.com,2017-03-03:1029239:Comment:1364532017-03-03T22:27:55.306ZPece Kocovskihttp://ngscollectors.ning.com/profile/PeceKocovski
Hey Tom thank you for your comment.<br />
Yeah I considered maybe having the spine of the book be written with what is on the spine of the 6 month issues - though not sure if that will look messy or over the top. If it is possible might cost extra as the person would need to write more than just National Geographic, years and months.
Hey Tom thank you for your comment.<br />
Yeah I considered maybe having the spine of the book be written with what is on the spine of the 6 month issues - though not sure if that will look messy or over the top. If it is possible might cost extra as the person would need to write more than just National Geographic, years and months. Pece,
Each map is stored indi…tag:ngscollectors.ning.com,2017-03-03:1029239:Comment:1364512017-03-03T22:01:58.704ZPhilip Rivierehttp://ngscollectors.ning.com/profile/PhilipRiviere
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2472784577?profile=original" target="_self"><img class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2472784577?profile=original" width="721"></img></a> Pece,</p>
<p>Each map is stored individually on a page of archival sheet protector and archival cardboard. A pic of the map and month and year of issue are on the sheet protector. This method really preserves the maps. The entire map collection takes 31 large binders. I keep only 3 copies of each map</p>
<p>I do read the bound volumes. The slip cases contain 6 issues in…</p>
<p><a href="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2472784577?profile=original" target="_self"><img width="721" class="align-full" src="http://storage.ning.com/topology/rest/1.0/file/get/2472784577?profile=original"/></a>Pece,</p>
<p>Each map is stored individually on a page of archival sheet protector and archival cardboard. A pic of the map and month and year of issue are on the sheet protector. This method really preserves the maps. The entire map collection takes 31 large binders. I keep only 3 copies of each map</p>
<p>I do read the bound volumes. The slip cases contain 6 issues in archival plastic also. I usually don't touch the individual issues in plastic. I have many extra issues as well as a digital version of all issues .</p>
<p>Best in collecting,</p>
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